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		<title>By: Katie Treadway</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Treadway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve peaked my interest.  But one thing I want to emphasize is that while many of our practices have roots in paganism (i.e. Christmas being celebrated on Dec. 25 -- winter solstice) that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;ve stayed there.  God can make all things new and we can even see places in our modern world where God is making all things new.  The people who have been coming into my office are people who want to know that the love of God transcends the church.  While it came out a few years ago, BLUE LIKE JAZZ revealed to me a way to envision God&#039;s church as God&#039;s work in the world through the people of God in all of their humanness.  I enjoyed observing Christians and non-Christians honestly speaking to one another in the midst of our sin and discovering relationship with God without pretending perfection.  I could go on and on.  Now I&#039;ve got to look up the book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve peaked my interest.  But one thing I want to emphasize is that while many of our practices have roots in paganism (i.e. Christmas being celebrated on Dec. 25 &#8212; winter solstice) that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;ve stayed there.  God can make all things new and we can even see places in our modern world where God is making all things new.  The people who have been coming into my office are people who want to know that the love of God transcends the church.  While it came out a few years ago, BLUE LIKE JAZZ revealed to me a way to envision God&#8217;s church as God&#8217;s work in the world through the people of God in all of their humanness.  I enjoyed observing Christians and non-Christians honestly speaking to one another in the midst of our sin and discovering relationship with God without pretending perfection.  I could go on and on.  Now I&#8217;ve got to look up the book!</p>
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		<title>By: David G. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>David G. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJ!  Welcome to the site!  It&#039;s great to have you here.  From what I&#039;ve seen, your congregation is far from alone.  There seems to be an enormous shift in the Church at large.

There are lots of genuine folks who are fine with the &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt;, but there seems to be a growing hunger for something more authentic and more organic.  I seem to be having more and more conversations around missional Christianity and discovering new shapes and expressions of the Body.  It&#039;s an interesting time to be alive!

Thanks again for your comment.  Blessings!  -dgj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ!  Welcome to the site!  It&#8217;s great to have you here.  From what I&#8217;ve seen, your congregation is far from alone.  There seems to be an enormous shift in the Church at large.</p>
<p>There are lots of genuine folks who are fine with the <em>status quo</em>, but there seems to be a growing hunger for something more authentic and more organic.  I seem to be having more and more conversations around missional Christianity and discovering new shapes and expressions of the Body.  It&#8217;s an interesting time to be alive!</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment.  Blessings!  -dgj</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Jordan</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 
Thanks for the reference. Read the bonus chapter. Good insight to today&#039;s church compared to where our emphasis should be. Looking forward to reading the book. If there was ever an opportunity to evaluate and make course corrections, boy we have that opportunity at this time in history at our church. We are at the juncture I have looked forward to for many years, now and I sure don&#039;t want us to blow it. This just may be the most important time in our church&#039;s journey. Thanks for your ministry!
TJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Thanks for the reference. Read the bonus chapter. Good insight to today&#8217;s church compared to where our emphasis should be. Looking forward to reading the book. If there was ever an opportunity to evaluate and make course corrections, boy we have that opportunity at this time in history at our church. We are at the juncture I have looked forward to for many years, now and I sure don&#8217;t want us to blow it. This just may be the most important time in our church&#8217;s journey. Thanks for your ministry!<br />
TJ</p>
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		<title>By: David G. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>David G. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

Thanks for sharing.  I thought I&#039;d post the text of the passage you referenced for everyone&#039;s benefit:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
They decorate it with silver and gold;
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple.
They are upright, like a palm tree,
And they cannot speak;
They must be carried,
Because they cannot go by themselves.
Do not be afraid of them,
For they cannot do evil,
Nor can they do any good.”
- &lt;em&gt;Jeremiah 10:3-5&lt;/em&gt; (NKJV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You definitely have a point about picking battles.  There&#039;s also a tendency, as we allow ourselves to question that which is familiar, to throw the proverbial &quot;baby&quot; out with the &quot;bathwater.&quot;  It can be difficulty to discern what&#039;s &quot;baby&quot; and what&#039;s &quot;bathwater.&quot;

The most intriguing questions I&#039;m hearing, however, have to do with what &quot;shape&quot; the Church will take in the future.  We cannot be committed to forms and functions, but must instead be committed to the true mission to which we have been called: discipling nations.

Lord help us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.  I thought I&#8217;d post the text of the passage you referenced for everyone&#8217;s benefit:</p>
<blockquote><p>For the customs of the peoples are futile;<br />
For one cuts a tree from the forest,<br />
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.<br />
They decorate it with silver and gold;<br />
They fasten it with nails and hammers<br />
So that it will not topple.<br />
They are upright, like a palm tree,<br />
And they cannot speak;<br />
They must be carried,<br />
Because they cannot go by themselves.<br />
Do not be afraid of them,<br />
For they cannot do evil,<br />
Nor can they do any good.”<br />
- <em>Jeremiah 10:3-5</em> (NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<p>You definitely have a point about picking battles.  There&#8217;s also a tendency, as we allow ourselves to question that which is familiar, to throw the proverbial &#8220;baby&#8221; out with the &#8220;bathwater.&#8221;  It can be difficulty to discern what&#8217;s &#8220;baby&#8221; and what&#8217;s &#8220;bathwater.&#8221;</p>
<p>The most intriguing questions I&#8217;m hearing, however, have to do with what &#8220;shape&#8221; the Church will take in the future.  We cannot be committed to forms and functions, but must instead be committed to the true mission to which we have been called: discipling nations.</p>
<p>Lord help us!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald McMenamy</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald McMenamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, an eye opener to be sure with just the teaser sample, my brother in law who has a PHD in theology told me to flip over to Jer 10:3-5 and asked me what does this sound like in 2007, it&#039;s scary to think how far we may ave drifted from center. This all has to be approached with wisdom in picking your battles but the questions must be raised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, an eye opener to be sure with just the teaser sample, my brother in law who has a PHD in theology told me to flip over to Jer 10:3-5 and asked me what does this sound like in 2007, it&#8217;s scary to think how far we may ave drifted from center. This all has to be approached with wisdom in picking your battles but the questions must be raised.</p>
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		<title>By: David G. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>David G. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jill and Allen, for joining the discussion!

Allen -- with a sweep of his sword, Constantine declared the entire Roman Empire &quot;Christian.&quot;  All the pagan priests still had jobs - just with a new boss: the Pope.  

That might be a bit oversimplified, but it isn&#039;t far from the truth.

Communion... experiencing God... learning how the Kingdom gets expressed in everyday life... actually training on (not just learning about) the disciplines of living as a spiritual being... becoming empowered to advance the Kingdom in every sphere...

This is where we must go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jill and Allen, for joining the discussion!</p>
<p>Allen &#8212; with a sweep of his sword, Constantine declared the entire Roman Empire &#8220;Christian.&#8221;  All the pagan priests still had jobs &#8211; just with a new boss: the Pope.  </p>
<p>That might be a bit oversimplified, but it isn&#8217;t far from the truth.</p>
<p>Communion&#8230; experiencing God&#8230; learning how the Kingdom gets expressed in everyday life&#8230; actually training on (not just learning about) the disciplines of living as a spiritual being&#8230; becoming empowered to advance the Kingdom in every sphere&#8230;</p>
<p>This is where we must go.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had read once before that because of the demand of some cities by their leaders that all citizens were to become Christians; people began to &quot;act&quot; like Christians without the relationship.  This led to their falling into Pagan practices in order to comply with the Religious order.  It seems to me that &quot;church&quot; should spend more time teaching and leading their congregation into the communion dimension.  Remember what Jesus said when Mary sat at Jesus feet while her sister was running around doing all the preparation....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had read once before that because of the demand of some cities by their leaders that all citizens were to become Christians; people began to &#8220;act&#8221; like Christians without the relationship.  This led to their falling into Pagan practices in order to comply with the Religious order.  It seems to me that &#8220;church&#8221; should spend more time teaching and leading their congregation into the communion dimension.  Remember what Jesus said when Mary sat at Jesus feet while her sister was running around doing all the preparation&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Johnson</title>
		<link>http://echaplain.com/2008/01/03/pagan-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I read the sample chapter and I definitely want to buy the book now.  I think it&#039;s going to be quite startling and distressing to see how many current church practices have their roots in pagan culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I read the sample chapter and I definitely want to buy the book now.  I think it&#8217;s going to be quite startling and distressing to see how many current church practices have their roots in pagan culture.</p>
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